Welcome back to an amazing breakfast with designer Luke Laurie and publisher Peter Vaughan. The chaos of KublaCon has just about ended, and the three of us are at Pete’s Cafe (no relation) in Millbrae, California, talking deeply and metaphyscially about game design.

Welcome back to dinner with designer Gil Hova, founder of Formal Ferret Games and designer of High Rise and The Networks. While munching on burgers of varying layered tastes, we also discuss games of varying… layered tastes. And perchance we touch on some interesting etymological philosophy along the way.