I have been fortunate enough to have dinner with Ryan Laukat, designer of Above and Below, Near and Far and many others, artist, publisher, owner of Red Raven Games. And the restaurant is magnificent – Log Haven, a little piece of woodland paradise in the canyons outside Salt Lake City, Utah. I have just met …

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Welcome back to dinner with designer Gil Hova, founder of Formal Ferret Games and designer of High Rise and The Networks. While munching on burgers of varying layered tastes, we also discuss games of varying… layered tastes. And perchance we touch on some interesting etymological philosophy along the way.