And now, it is sadly time for the last segment of my interview with tabletop game designer, video game designer, philosopher, Tim Fowers. We are both happily full, I am reasonably caffeinated, and the welcome warmth of the Utah sun lures me to ramble in streams of semi-consciousness.

Welcome back to dinner with Shem Phillips, founder of Garphill Games and New Zealand’s preeminent board game designer. Shem is best known for his trilogies of games, the North Sea Trilogy (Shipwrights, Raiders and Explorers) and the West Kingdom Trilogy (Architects, Paladins and Viscounts). Shem and I are just chilling over pies… Mmmm, pies…