In this fine episode, Jonny and I talk about area control game problems, the wide, wide world of auction games, flow state and how to run a board game development business. Plus pudding.

I met Matt Leacock at Evvia, a wonderful Greek restaurant in downtown Palo Alto, a veritable melting pot of the techno-elite and hipster-weird. Matt is, of course, synonymous with co-op game design, having created the classic Pandemic in its many and varied forms, both legacy and otherwise.