Welcome back to dinner with Shem Phillips, founder of Garphill Games and New Zealand’s preeminent board game designer. Shem is best known for his trilogies of games, the North Sea Trilogy (Shipwrights, Raiders and Explorers) and the West Kingdom Trilogy (Architects, Paladins and Viscounts). Shem and I are just chilling over pies… Mmmm, pies…

Matt Leacock and I get to continue talking about game development, Pandemic, and Era: Medieval Age in the most amazing Greek restaurant ever. And people bring us food. What could be better?

I met Matt Leacock at Evvia, a wonderful Greek restaurant in downtown Palo Alto, a veritable melting pot of the techno-elite and hipster-weird. Matt is, of course, synonymous with co-op game design, having created the classic Pandemic in its many and varied forms, both legacy and otherwise.